FNM Bahamian Talent Rally FLOP…Paid Rally-goers Failed to Show

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Poor showing at FNM Clifford Park Rally last night.

Nassau, Bahamas

— Party officials in the Free National Movement are mum this morning, punch drunk following a disappointing showing at Clifford Park last evening; and the decision to go to Clifford Park has already created a rift in the Party Apparatchik.

We can tell you the showing was poor, disappointing to say the least and has sent rally organizers back to the drawing board.

The night began with entertainment, but a sore point came when by 8PM, less than 200 supporters were assembled on Clifford Park.

Artist Bodine Johnson took to the stage singing her latest single “I DON’T WANT YOU NO MORE!” The song left FNMs cussing some swearing so loud the artist attempted to suggest that she was referring to the PLP.

Then by 9pm the surprise came, people simply would not turn up forcing minister for Broadcasting, Tommy Turnquest, to begin directing ZNS what and who to show on the screens.

By the time Prime Minister Hubert Ingraham had arrive less then 1/5 of the Park could be filled, leaving witnesses to the flopped event red in the face.

The scene was far different from the May 2007 rallies [captured below], which showed a crowd so think back then, one sitting in the field would have had to pass the bucket around in order to use the bathroom.

Last night’s showing was different, and if the FNM could test things they should know the contract with them and the Bahamian people is coming to a crashing close.

Meanwhile, PLP Party Leader, Perry ROCKSTAR Christie, and his strongman Deputy, Philip Brave Davis, has taken the campaign swing to the North. The crowd was so thick in Grand Bahama eyewitnesses say, “It was the largest rally ever held on Grand Bahama by the PLP.”

According to an FNM source, “We could not even muster a scrap gang on Clifford Park, Carl Bethel, has tricked the Party again!” Dispite flying in scores of family islanders, Including personalities like, Silbert Mills, of Radio Abaco, islanders took the free trip and failed to showup for the Party’s event.

One supporter who came from Rocksound said, “I was happy to come, cause I was not working. I was paid pocket money to operate for the day. I came to see my grammy. I have no time for them.

Meawhile BP is advised the RENT-A-Crowd folkes said they wanted their monies upfront. We are told the group are now mad with Dion, Charlie and Tommy. These were the people we are told, which were used in the Elizabeth By-election by the FNM.

BP has been told heads will roll as Papa is highly irate.

PLPs in Grand Bahama Friday Night

THE FNM AT CLIFFORD PARK IN 2007

This was the FNM MASS RALLY on Clifford Park on April 30th, 2007.

33 COMMENTS

  1. Bahamians need to wake up and dont vote FNM or PLP. They are the same , things will never change we need somebody new to step in

  2. @ Altec

    JUST BACK BUT THIS WON’T TAKE LONG (YOUR POST IS NOT EXACTLY BRAIN FOOD).

    I WILL MAKE 3 POINTS THAT WILL VAPORIZE YOUR STUPID ARGUMENTs.

    (1) I said “Let me repeat this point and challenge all and sundry to comment as they have had experiences too”

    “Idiot” if you knew the definiton of the word “too” then you could not make the brain dead assumptions that followed. Okay remedial write this on your pad (definition of “too” – ALSO, BESIDE) and say it aloud as you read my 3rd paragraph.

    I invited other posters to share their personal experiences after questioning potential voters. I created 4 groups and identified voters known to me according to their current preferences, past voting record, etc. (its late). The question is implied (or do I have to bend lower and explain what implied questions mean). Clearly by inviting unfiltered information to the table I am not in pursuit of hard statistics (there is a certain level of intelligence required to keep pace with the discussion you know). Next time I’ll write it with crayons for you, okay.

    This is the easiest part. Now onto your version of “tough questions”.

    “IDIOT” YOU CREATED A PREMISE FOR DISMISSAL OF ALL YOUR VIEWS BY REFUSAL TO ACCEPT AS CREDIBLE ANY OF MY VIEWS UNLESS INDEPENDENT EMPIRICAL DATA IS PROVIDED, REGARDLESS OF HOW REASONABLE ON BALANCE MY POSITION IS.

    ALL THAT I HAVE TO DO IS DEMONSTRATE THAT YOUR STRATEGY “FEEDS ON ITSELF” (YOUR ARGUMENTS) AND THIS MATTER IS OVER. HERE GOES:-

    You said “The notion that 20% of the electorate are independents is only a perception”

    You said “the only group that can make a difference is the combined youth vote and the group of disaffected voters from either party who decide to vote against their party or stay home and don’t vote at all”

    Really, PROVE THESE ASSERTIONS. WHERE IS THE EMPIRICAL DATA IN SUPPORT OF SUCH CLAIMS? IS IT CURRENT TO MARCH 2011? I HOPE YOU DID NOT EXTRAPOLATE FROM THE 2007 ELECTION RESULTS BECAUSE A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2007 (ASK AROUND). HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHO REMAINS FAITHFUL TO PARTIES AND WHO WILL DO OTHERWISE (GIVEN THE FIRST 5 YEARS ONLY GOVERNMENT TURN AROUND BY THE PLP AND THE DYNAMICS ON THE GROUND NOW, HOW CAN YOU PROVE THAT THE OLD FORMULA STILL APPLIES WHEN THE NEGATIVE FACTORS FROM BOTH GOVERNMENTS ARE STILL FRESH THOUGHTS). PROVE IT WITH CURRENT DATA OR WITHDRAW THESE AND EVERY OTHER OPINION RENDERED (WHICH INCIDENTIALLY IS YOUR ENTIRE “PRESENTATION”).

    THAT WAS QUICK (ALL OF 13 MINUTES, TYPING INCLUDED). LIKE I SAID “YOU DO NOT POSSESS THE SKILLS SET …”

  3. THIS IS A BOLD FACE LIE. THE PICTURE THAT BP IS SHOWING IS MUCH EARLIER PHOTO OF THE RALLY BEFORE IT GOT STARTED. WHAT LIES TO SELL.

    • FACT IS THAT photo was taken when the PM arrived. He came nearer to his speech. Senator Pintard discribed the turnout on ZNS TV this way, when asked about the FNM support. He called it “SLIPPAGE!”

      BP

  4. This is another weak and lame attempt you have put forward. But your response reveals just how little you truly know about the process of electioneering in this county!
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    The fatal flaw in your theory is NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO AN INDEPENDENT/SWING VOTEWR IS…

    YOU ASSIGNED INDEPENDENT VOTERS THE LABEL OF “SUPPORTERS” OF A 3RD PARTY (WRONG BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEM NOTING MORE THAN SUPPORTERS OF ANOTHER PARTY OTHER THAN THE PLP OR FNM).

    Storm, you can read, but you cant seem to comprehend what your reading. In both my posts I made it quiet clear that there are not enough independent voters to swing an election. I have made it quite clear that the voting groups that do have the most impact on the outcome are the youth vote and the disaffected PLP or FNM voter. I am waiting for you to prove that fact wrong. How much more clear do i have to make it?

    So for you to say i dont understand who an independent voter is, is wrong. Its you who cant comprehend what was written!

    Independent voters can vote for whomever they feel speaks to their concerns be it PLP, FNM, NDP, cat or dog.

    So when you say independent voters who support 3rd parties are not truly independent voters, just “supporters of a party not FNM or PLP,” you loose me.

    If they dont vote PLP or FNM, their only other option is to vote for a 3rd party or stay home. Lol!
    So who are they going to vote for? If not for one of the established parties or a 3rd party? tell me please!
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    YOU ASSUMED THAT INDEPENDENT VOTERS ACT AS A VOTING BLOCK (LIKE YOU PLPs DO ALTEC). WRONG AGAIN. THEREFORE BY RUNNING YOUR NUMBERS FROM PAST ELECTIONS CONTESTED BY 3RD PARTIES YOU WILL NEVER DETERMINE THE PRESENCE OF SWING VOTERS. IN ALTEC’S LOGICAL PATTERN THEY MUST VOTE AS A BLOCK FOR THE 3RD PARTY OPTION ONLY (ANOTHER WRONG ASSUMPTION BASED ON A FLAWED THEORY).

    Bro, do you know anything about election strategy? Political parties base their entire success on their ability to persuade blocks of voters. Its called forming a coalition of voters.

    The PLP does it. The FNM does it. EVERY POLITICAL PARTY IN THE WORLD tries to form a broad enough base of voters heading into an election. And from cycle to cycle, that coalition can change!

    Much money and time is invested by political parties to study the voting trends and patterns of voting blocks like the youth, young men, seniors, women and independent voters. Why? Because they all tend to vote along the same lines if they are successfully persuaded or influenced one way or the other!

    That is electioneering 101. And for you to suggest that blocks of voters dont vote in very discernible patterns, then you are more ignorant than i thought, and is more evidence that you really have no clue as to what your talking about.

    Those voting trends and patterns are based on past election data and current, accurate polling data. Political strategist and consultants are paid a lot of money to study that data and those voting blocks to try an ascertain their concerns and then integrate that info into the party’s campaign strategy and messaging accordingly, group by group. The party that is most successful at this usually wins!

    For example, the concerns of women going into an election are different than that of young men or seniors. It would be stupid to target every group the same way as they all have different concerns.

    If past elections trends and polling data is a bad way for me to get some insight as to how to target blocks of voters, then you must know something strategist and consultants dont, because every political party, strategist and paid consultants all over the world uses past election data as a start off point.

    Unlike you, things are not just pulled out of thin air and stated as facts. Numbers and trends is where it starts and the process moves on from there.

    Every time you post something it reveals just how little you know!

    Whats so sad is you refuse to answer any of the questions i put to you. So i will ask you 2 of them again?

    1)Where were these independent voters you speak so highly off in the Lizzy bye election?
    2)Where is data saying there is a bleed off of FNM and PLP voters?

    I will repeat my premise; the so called independent voter you speak of does not exist in SUFFICIENT numbers to sway any election. You refuse to accept this truth.

    If you think i am wrong, then give me data to disprove that. Give me some evidence of the existence of these thousands of independent voters.

    You really, honestly believe that 20% of the electorate are independent voters? thats close to 20,000 voters. Where are they?

    You cant tell me there are sufficient numbers of independent voters out there who are tired of the FNM and PLP, yet when its time to vote, the independent candidate in the race cant even get 50 votes! Something doesnt add up!

    Every question i put to you, trying to get you to explain the statements you make, you conveniently wont answer, and only reply with some crazy, pseudo intellectual response.

    So you can duck my questions and try to play stupid, but the fact still remains that you have no clue as to what your talking about. And your poor attempt of a response is evidence of that.

    And yes, you are no independent as your own words betray you.

    Tell Renward Wells, i said hello!

  5. The FNM website shows a lot of people there. Both parties need to go. They all talk the talk and don’t walk the walk. The politicians that run this country seems to not relate to the people who they govern. It seems like they forgot or don’t know what it is to scrape to put food on the table like the average Bahamian.

  6. @Altec

    The fatal flaw in your theory is NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO AN INDEPENDENT/SWING VOTEWR IS. SINCE THE REMAINDER OF YOUR POST DRAWS LIFE FROM THAT POINT, THE REMAINDER IS FLAWED, MORE FLAWED AND SO ON.

    YOU ASSIGNED INDEPENDENT VOTERS THE LABEL OF “SUPPORTERS” OF A 3RD PARTY (WRONG BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEM NOTING MORE THAN SUPPORTERS OF ANOTHER PARTY OTHER THAN THE PLP OR FNM).

    YOU ASSUMED THAT INDEPENDENT VOTERS ACT AS A VOTING BLOCK (LIKE YOU PLPs DO ALTEC). WRONG AGAIN. THEREFORE BY RUNNING YOUR NUMBERS FROM PAST ELECTIONS CONTESTED BY 3RD PARTIES YOU WILL NEVER DETERMINE THE PRESENCE OF SWING VOTERS. IN ALTEC’S LOGICAL PATTERN THEY MUST VOTE AS A BLOCK FOR THE 3RD PARTY OPTION ONLY (ANOTHER WRONG ASSUMPTION BASED ON A FLAWED THEORY).

    OFF TO CATCH A PLANE, BUT WILL DEAL WITH YOU UPON MY RETURN. YOU GAVE ME THE JOKE OF THE DAY WHEN YOU SAID “I AM A DISSATISFIED FNM ….” PURE B.S. ALTEC. I AM BEING SOUGHT AFTER BY THE PLP AND THE FNM TO CAMPAIGN FOR THEM, ALTEC. ON YOUR EFFORTS TO NEUTRALIZE ME OR MINIMIZE MY EFFECT, BROTHER YOU DON’T POSSESS THE SKILLS SET TO DO THAT.

    BE PATIENT, YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR … AND THAT I PROMISE (KEEP A PAD AND PENCIL NEAR).

  7. Ya know Storm, I responded to your post with UNDISPUTED FACTS and you respond to me with anecdotal evidence? Are you kidding me? SMH!!!!

    If you know you couldnt respond with verifiable facts, why respond? So let me respond to each one of your inaccurate statements.
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    (1) I HAVE NOT MET ANYONE WHO SUPPORTED THE PLP IN 2007 AND IS NOW SO IMPRESSED WITH THE FNM THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SWITCH AND SUPPORT THE FNM IN 2012.

    Storm, its obvious you misunderstood my point so let me spell it out for you. The point i was making obviously refers to people switching parties when THEIR PARTY IS IN POWER AND ARE UNSATISFIED WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE OR DECISIONS.

    Thus, PLP’s most likely wont support the FNM in 2012 but FNM’s will vote PLP or may just stay home! Either way its bad for the FNM. It is that block of voters combined with the youth vote that turns elections. Not independents!

    Is that plain enough for you? Reading is one thing, understanding what you read is another!
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    (2) EVERY SWING VOTER/INDEPENDENT KNOWN TO ME WHO SUPPORTED THE PLP IS NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT THEM AGAIN IN 2012. INSTEAD (TO A MAN) THEY ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT SOME THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, JUST TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT THEIR DISGUST WITH BOTH THE PLP AND THE FNM AND TO STRENGTHEN THE NOTION OF A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE FNM AND PLP IN THE FUTURE.

    Every swing voter known to you? How much is that? Do you know all the youth and independent voters in the Bahamas? So a few of your NDP and disgruntled FNM friends wont vote PLP or FNM. So what? that means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    You seem to be convinced that there are viable 3rd parties presently on the scene that has a chance to win a national election. Can you please show me who that party is?

    All this talk about 3rd parties is just that, talk. I asked you before and i will ask you again, where was the independent voters during the Lizzy bye election last year? Whats your excuse for their poor showing? There were 3 other parties present beside the PLP and FNM, so why didnt they show up and vote?

    The fact of the matter is the NDP, like every other 3rd party, doesnt have the resources, man power, or skill set to put up a half decent fight in a general election. Thats just the reality.

    10yrs ago, the BDM and CDR was all the 3rd party rage. Now the NDP is the new 3rd party flavor of the month. How much longer until Renward Wells hop of that bus and hitch his wagon to the PLP or FNM? Lol!

    But its funny how you only mention the independent voters known to you who voted PLP. Did you ask any of the independent voters who supported the FNM in 2007 if they will do it again? lol.
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    (3) I PERSONALLY KNOW MORE THAN 50 PLP SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE SWORN THAT THEY WILL NOT VOTE RATHER THAN VOTE AGAIN FOR CHRISTIE’S LEADERSHIP. I FIND THIS LEVEL OF DISGUST IS GROWING AMONG THE FNM AND PLP BASE SUPPORTERS (IT ACCOUNTS FOR THE BLEED-OFF IN BASE NUMBERS IN BOTH PARTIES).

    Call me crazy, but you knowing 50 people who wont vote PLP means ABSOLOUTLY NOTHING, again! I can say the same thing about the FNM and thousands wont vote for the NDP.

    You seem to believe that if Storm thinks it or knows a few people who think one way, then it must be true. You remind me of a poster name BAHAMAS YOUTH who use to post here because you sound just as naive and uninformed as him.

    And you mention a “bleed off in base numbers” from both parties. Where did you get that from? I recall you stating a few weeks back that Papa has expanded the base of the FNM to the point where he has eroded some of the PLPs base. Now you tell me that there is a bleed off in both parties? So which is it Storm?

    So these voters that have “bleed off,” where are they going? Lol, let me guess, 3rd party right? NDP right? Lol.

    My brother, sounds like your making up stuff as you go along. But i maybe wrong, so please tell me where i can find that info about the supposed “bleed off in base numbers…”

    Everything you say is pure conjecture. But you do a good job of making your subjective views sound like facts when they are not and can not be substantiated one iota.
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    (4) I HAVE MET MANY FIRST TIME VOTER (VOTING FIRST TIME IN 2012) AND THEY ARE ABOUT 90% COLD TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE PLP OR FNM. THEY WANT “CHANGE” AND THEY DON’T MEAN THAT CHRISTIE OR INGRAHAM SHOULD CHANGE THEIR CAMPAIGN MESSAGE. NO! THEY WANT NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP N-O-W OR A NEW PARTY IN GOVERNMENT.

    Here we go again, back to the extrapolation. If Stormy knows a few people who think one way, then he implies that everyone must think that way. How many of these voters have you actually met? Was it 1, 10, 50, 5,000, 100,000? And 90% feel the way you feel? Well then by your own calculations, the NDP should win the next election right? Man Renward gat you drinking that NDP cool aid in gulps, lol.

    You come on here trying to wrap yourself up in clothes of independence when its clear that you are someone who has turned sour on the FNM party you once supported.

    Tell me what happen? Papa didnt give you no contract aye? Or were you one of the many people he fired? What he do to you? You didnt get a nomination aye?

    Now it looks like you have found some solace in one of those 3rd parties. Which is it? Tell me? You NDP now aye? Cause you talking the same talk.

    You will be in for a rude awakening when Papa rings the bell. I would bet that the NDP wont get 500 votes nationally.

    The next time you respond to me, please, please bring some facts to the table and not more of your anecdotal evidence.

    I am done talking with you, cause you bring nothing to the table but your fake independence and conjecture!

  8. @ Altec

    SOBER UP QUICKLY, ALTEC.

    THE HUGE NUMBER OF ONCE UPON A TIME PLP OR FNM SUPPORTERS IS NOW IN THE THOUSANDS.

    LET ME REPEAT THIS POINT AND CHALLENGE ALL AND SUNDRY TO COMMENT AS THEY HAVE HAD EXPERIENCES TOO:-

    (1) I HAVE NOT MET ANYONE WHO SUPPORTED THE PLP IN 2007 AND IS NOW SO IMPRESSED WITH THE FNM THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SWITCH AND SUPPORT THE FNM IN 2012.

    (2) EVERY SWING VOTER/INDEPENDENT KNOWN TO ME WHO SUPPORTED THE PLP IS NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT THEM AGAIN IN 2012. INSTEAD (TO A MAN) THEY ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT SOME THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, JUST TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT THEIR DISGUST WITH BOTH THE PLP AND THE FNM AND TO STRENGTHEN THE NOTION OF A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE FNM AND PLP IN THE FUTURE.

    (3) I PERSONALLY KNOW MORE THAN 50 PLP SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE SWORN THAT THEY WILL NOT VOTE RATHER THAN VOTE AGAIN FOR CHRISTIE’S LEADERSHIP. I FIND THIS LEVEL OF DISGUST IS GROWING AMONG THE FNM AND PLP BASE SUPPORTERS (IT ACCOUNTS FOR THE BLEED-OFF IN BASE NUMBERS IN BOTH PARTIES).

    (4) I HAVE MET MANY FIRST TIME VOTER (VOTING FIRST TIME IN 2012) AND THEY ARE ABOUT 90% COLD TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE PLP OR FNM. THEY WANT “CHANGE” AND THEY DON’T MEAN THAT CHRISTIE OR INGRAHAM SHOULD CHANGE THEIR CAMPAIGN MESSAGE. NO! THEY WANT NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP N-O-W OR A NEW PARTY IN GOVERNMENT.

    You can “twist and turn” my point around all you wish, but as the common saying goes “IT IS WHAT IT IS.”

    I will be more extensive in a later post and address your views exhaustively when time permits (you know I mean pick it apart) because it can use refinement. Later.

  9. THE RALLY WAS NOT WELL ATTENDED BECAUSE THE MASSES HAVE MOVED ON IN THEIR EXPECTATION OF “POLITICS” AND THAT WELL WORN STRATEGY OF GATHERING THE PEOPLE TO “SLING MUD” IS FOR THE BOTTOM TIER OF BAHAMIANS – PERIOD. WELCOME TO THE NEW REALITY. ONE IN WHICH INDEPENDENT VOTERS HAVE SNATCHED THE CONTROL OF “ISSUES FOR CONSIDERATION” FROM THE PARTY APPARATUS AND CONSTANTLY SET AND RESET THE RHYTHM FOR THE DRUMS OF DISCUSSION TO BE BEATEN AFTER.

    Storm, the rally was not poorly attented because “the masses have moved on.” The rally was poorly attended because the FNM assumed their base was so hungry for some red political meat, that they would come out in mass at the first rally.

    The PLP has already had several mini rallies on several islands so the FNM expected their base to come out.

    It was a grave miscalculation on the part of the party. THATS ALL. Come August and Spetember, the FNM and PLP will have no problems packing Clifford Park or RM Bailey.

    As the campaign season heats up and booth parties pack the big parks later in the year, would that mean that the “masses” has turned back to the 2 main parties?

    No! The FNM’s calculation was off and i am sure they will bounce back whenever the next rally is called!

    There was probably around 2,000 people there and had that same amount of people turned out at a smaller location, say the FNM HQ parking lot, we wouldnt be talking about the rally turnout today. We would be saying the FNM’s engine is getting started.

    THIS IS OUR ELECTION (SWING VOTERS/INDEPENDENTS) AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE WILL SHOW NO SUPPORT DURING THE SHALLOW ISSUES RALLIES, BE THEY STAGED BY THE FNM, PLP, OR THE ABC PARTY … GET USED TO IT.
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    …SOME PUNDITS SUGGEST THAT THE VOTING POPULATION IS SPLIT 40:40 BETWEEN THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES AND WE (INDEPENDENTS) MAKE-UP THE MARGIN OF VICTORY BASED ON OUR TURN OUT. THAT IS TRUE (WATCH AND SEE).

    The notion that 20% of the electorate are independents is only a perception. This isnt the United States.

    I dont mean to burst your bubble, but there just isnt that many independents to make that much of a difference in ANY elections at this point of political development in the country.

    The only groups that can make a difference is the combined youth vote and the group of disaffected voters from either party who decides to vote against their party or stay home and dont vote at all.

    One of those 2 scenarios happened in every election since ’92 and as bad as Papa been running the country, its probably going to happen again as some FNM’s will probably vote PLP and some will stay home. How many will determine whether its a single or double digit seat loss for the FNM.

    If you want to think there are 5-10,000 independent voters that can swing an election, then dream on. I wont wake you up!

    When you combine all the votes from the 3rd parties over the last 2 general elections, it doesnt even add up to 500 votes! In the Lizzy bye election, the 3rd parties combined didnt even get 100 votes.

    If there are as many independent voters as you seem to believe, then you need to tell those 3rd party’s where they are as they could use the votes.

    Dr Bernanrd Nottage’s CDR was a credible 3rd party. Some of it former members are now apart of Papa’s cabinet, but they got their behinds handed to them in 2002. Where was this 20% of independent voters as the CDR, AS A PARTY, didnt get nowhere near a 1,000 votes combined nationally?

    Its the combine votes from the youth and the disaffected PLP’s or FNM’s that swing elections. Not independents.

    Like I said earlier, the country hasnt matured to the point yet politically where there is a LARGE ENOUGH BLOCK OF INDEPENDENTS TO SWAY AN ELECTION EITHER WAY! Politically, we are just not there yet!

    I would love their to be a viable 3rd option, but thats just not the reality one generation removed from independence! But we will get their!

  10. well said @STORM and @IKB. for a while there, i was thinking i was alone on this. what seems to be missed is the obvious impact of the independent/fence sitter/swing voter, like me. both parties irritate me to no end with all the nonsense going on. do i appear so stupid not to see what is going on? or, are they simply playing to their base? i have voted for both parties and can honestly say, right now, i am not happy with either. i cannot say how i will vote in ’12. i am watching and listening to what is being said and done and at the end of the day, i will show up and i will cast a vote, even if it on a spoilt ballot…

  11. This looked like a mini- steak out the FOREIGN NATIONAL MOVEMENT was having in aid of pappas alzeimers that is kicking day by day. Pappie just ran on and on and on “laas nite man”

  12. you would think these FNM moorons will deliver a good message as to how and what they intend to do with all this crime and jobless situation. but then again we had 4yrs of this shit. now they trying to turn bahamians away from the real problems we face. when will these black cracker realize we dont give a rat’s ass who sleeping with who out all off them FNM mp all can have they head stuck up they ass at the same time my god what wrong these doosh bag man. we dont give a shit if sol screwing ingrum. we need jobs and peace and safety .

  13. I agree! The elections are won one constituency at a time. Let us, independant voters, make our representives accountable. Let’s demand that they leave their party politic at the door when they come to seek our vote!! Let judge these prospects on their own merits and let’s do thorough due diligence with there family and business affairs. Let’s sound the alarm that the days for settling for anyone based on party associations ARE OVER!!!! LET CHANGE THE WAY POLITICS IS DONE IN OUR COUNTRY!!!!

  14. Completely ignorant. When they turn out with more supporters than your party, you accuse them of being paid. You always accuse others of having no shame, but YOU BP ARE THE ONE WHO HAS NO DARN SHAME.

  15. What a bold faced lie!!!!

    I guess y’all didnt see the video of the event going around on Facebbok LMAO That in itself dispels this gossip you guys publishing lol

  16. @ Thinker, Serious thing, truthhurts, LOVE MY HOME – THE BAHAMAS & others

    EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES!

    THE RALLY WAS NOT WELL ATTENDED BECAUSE THE MASSES HAVE MOVED ON IN THEIR EXPECTATION OF “POLITICS” AND THAT WELL WORN STRATEGY OF GATHERING THE PEOPLE TO “SLING MUD” IS FOR THE BOTTOM TIER OF BAHAMIANS – PERIOD. WELCOME TO THE NEW REALITY. ONE IN WHICH INDEPENDENT VOTERS HAVE SNATCHED THE CONTROL OF “ISSUES FOR CONSIDERATION” FROM THE PARTY APPARATUS AND CONSTANTLY SET AND RESET THE RHYTHM FOR THE DRUMS OF DISCUSSION TO BE BEATEN AFTER.

    THIS IS OUR ELECTION (SWING VOTERS/INDEPENDENTS) AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE WILL SHOW NO SUPPORT DURING THE SHALLOW ISSUES RALLIES, BE THEY STAGED BY THE FNM, PLP, OR THE ABC PARTY … GET USED TO IT.

    WE WILL GO THROUGH THE LIST OF CANDIDATES ONE-BY-ONE AND COMPARE THEM (CANDIDLY AND OBJECTIVELY) UNTIL A SORT OF CONSENSUS IS ARRIVED AT ABOUT WHICH ONE IS BEST FOR THE BAHAMAS – WATCH. THE “BRAIN DEAD” ASSESSMENT THAT HE OR SHE IS BEST BECAUSE OF ASSOCIATION WITH A PARTICULAR PARTY IS OVER (WATCH AND SEE). WE WILL SENSIBLY CHOOSE INDIVIDUALS FROM ALL SIDES. WE KNOW THAT NO PARTY HAS ALL OF THE BEST CANDIDATES WITHIN IT AND SINCE “WE DON’T CARE” WHICH PARTY WINS, ONLY THAT THOSE IN THE PARLIAMENT HAVE THE IDEAS AND COMMITMENT TO MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD, WE ARE BEST POSITIONED TO INFLUENCE THE IDEAL OUTCOME FOR OUR COUNTRY. IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO YOU JOKERS ALL SEATS WILL GO TO EITHER THE PLP OR FNM (BASED ON YOUR POLITICAL BLINDNESS). I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF DIE-HARDS: YOUR VOTE IS ASSUMED BY YOUR PARTY AND HAS ALREADY BEEN COUNTED. MY VOTE (INDEPENDENTS) IS BEING COURTED AND IS CRITICAL TO A VICTORY IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

    SOME PUNDITS SUGGEST THAT THE VOTING POPULATION IS SPLIT 40:40 BETWEEN THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES AND WE (INDEPENDENTS) MAKE-UP THE MARGIN OF VICTORY BASED ON OUR TURN OUT. THAT IS TRUE (WATCH AND SEE).

  17. While I know Mr. Ingraham is a clever and cunning politician, he made a big blunder last evening by going to Clifford Park. It appeared more to me like they were having a mini- steak out in aid of Ingrahams heart troubled heart and evidently not much food was on hand as the entertainers appeared very hungry.

    People were literally walking away as Ingraham spoke because there was literally no bomb shell to be heard like Ingraham promised.

    Finally either he does not take advice or no one gives him advice as his speech was simply toooooo long and boring and lacked organization and lacked professionalism and lacked common decency and lacked articulancy (YENNA). In long and short he almost sounded like Moamar Gadhafi at the United Nations with his egocentric beliefs.

    • I completely agree with your Ingraham comments. To me, he comes off as very dominant and egotistic; his way or no way. He makes a mockery of serious issues and laughs at moments when I feel as though matters are serious. I do not feel as though this is how a leader should be and this is affecting my vote seeing as I would, at this point, prefer for the FNM to be re-elected BUT I do not wish to be a apart of the re-election of Hubert Ingraham.

  18. Meanwhile thousands of Bahamians watched and listened to it over the TV and various Radio stations.

    Reports are that it was the most well attended rally ever held out of the many that the PLP or the NDP was having.

    It was well received ..

  19. In response to ANSWER PLP ANSWER: what FNMs fail to realize is that Mrs. Allyson Maynard-Gibson is an Attorney with a Law Firm and is subject to chose her clients whoever they may be. In Grand Bahama, Attorney David Thompson was/is the Lawyer for the Freeport Container Port, while being in the House of Assembly. He would have been instrumental is the contracts that were agreed upon and signed, which have no benefits for the Bahamians in this Country. Then you’ve had the Bostwicks who represented the Drug Dealers, helped them excape from prison and became “GOD PARENTS” for their child. So tell Mr. Ingraham please clean his door mouth before he touches the PLPs.

    • Could you explain the AGA KHAN/Cable Bahamas/USMAN SAADAT/Marsh Lewis and Hubert Ingraham connection? Could you explain that to us Truth?

      BP

    • all he was saying that they was complaining about the chinesse coming here but it alright to be thier lawyer, just like crime they are complaining but check out who are the lawyers or firms that are repersenting them. its all about the money

  20. I think the rally last night was well attended for the first rally of the season. Of course clifford park would be hard to fill at this time. However, the traditional RM Bailey park was not an option beacuse of the obvious roadworks. The crowd would have looked good at RM Bailey. But time will tell.

  21. They should have staged this charade in SO-CALLED FNM country. That way Laing, Russell, Grant (Neko) Grant (Vernae) and Thompson could have invited their supporters, surly they would have had a better showing if … FNM Country … lol

  22. BP
    IGNORANT
    BP don’t be ignorant as this was the FIRST RALLY for the season held on a SATURDAY night!- The crowd was WAY LArger than that cook out crowd in Golden Gates. SIMPLY PUT!
    Crowds DO NOT win elections PEOPLE DO! We saw that LAST election BOTH Parties drew the crowds but the FNM WON!

    BAHAMIANIZAIOTN
    When will BP be unbiased the FNM decided to use BAHAMIAN Musicians and NOT Foreign ones!

    ANSWER PLP ANSWER- MUMS THE WORD!
    ALLYSON MAYNARD GIBSON has to answer to the BAHAMIAN people! All that running her mouth in the senate and she sleeping in bed with the “foreigners” that they are so much against.

    Bahamian people will KNOW Truth and it will be the DECIDING FACTOR and UNDOUBTEDLY will choose the FNM over the PLP

  23. The Bahamian people arent fooled by the FNM! My biggest issue is that the creation of all these temporary jobs (hotel/road construction) will not solve our long term unemployment problems! And I want people to realize that; when those projects are done, where are those people going to go?

    But the campaign team for this rally failed miserably! One of their ads on the radio had playing in the background, “I’d rather have bad times with you, than good times with someone else…” Those are subliminal messages people listen to, for me, do I want to continuing having bad things with the FNM or try something else?

  24. This rally, the first one of the campaign season for the FNM, should have been held at a smaller venue. Someone actually thought the first FNM rally of the season would fill out Clifford park? On a Saturday night?

    Normally both parties have mini rallies to start off then later down in the campaign season move to the big parks as momentum picks up.

    This rally should have been held in the parking lot opposite the FNM HQ or the open space opposite that church on Carmichael Rd (the name of the church escapes me right now). It would have come across much better on tv.

    Its just to early in the campaign season to be heading to Clifford or R.M. Bailey Park. You dont go there unless you know you can fill it!

    The party made a boo boo but its going to be interesting to see where they hold their next rally! To go from Clifford Park to a smaller venue doesnt look good at all and implies the FNM base might not be engaged, apathetic or demoralized early on.

    Whatever the reasoning, this isnt the way you want to start the campaign season.

    • It’s not about filling the parks; it’s about getting your message across. Despite the turn out at the park, many tuned in via TV and Radio – from Grand Bahama to Mayaguana. I am a resident of Crooked Island . . . I was not there physically but I did attend in “spirit”. If you can count spirits you may find that the rally was supported overwhelmingly.

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